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Old Jul 16, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46   #21
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Well, um.
Yeah.

I was trying to be polite, but you obviously didn't get it. This build is awful.

No one duels in pvp.

A HH/Mending wammo is more pro than this. And I am fairly prejudiced against anything warrior, much less a wammo.

I suggest...not playing a necro...because Necs are amazing but this is disrespect to the profession's abilities.

Um....this build is terrible, and the OP is unwilling to recognize the fact. please close thread, this isn't getting anywhere productive.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47   #22
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haha yeah well i love it and will defend it till death, you guys must be a bunch of offended wamos, jk. but yeah anyways thought id share it anyways never really seen anyone post anything like it and its just an option to explore other things other than standard builds as ss or transfer.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52   #23
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haha yeah well i love it and will defend it till death, you guys must be a bunch of offended wamos, jk. but yeah anyways thought id share it anyways never really seen anyone post anything like it and its just an option to explore other things other than standard builds as ss or transfer.
I suppose not everyones pro enough to use a Riposte/Heal Sig Necro.

And while I'm at it, lol Life Transfer.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21   #24
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Maybe you should think why everyone is disagreeing with you here. Duel? Is there 1v1 arena in GW? Too much bragging about owning wammo, everyone knows wammo sucks.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32   #25
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build is for 4 vs 4, but yeah i think this thread is too long for trying to defend it, in anycase feel free to try it
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37   #26
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lets say it's a fun build for owning clueless people.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03   #27
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anyways thought id share it anyways never really seen anyone post anything like it and its just an option to explore other things other than standard builds as ss or transfer.
First of all Life Transfer isn't used in a standard build (maybe in RA). And 2nd of all you've never seen anyone post a build like yours because it sucks and there are way better builds out there. PvP is about working with a team not just for yourself. If you go into HA or TA with a "survivor" build you will lose and you will probably never get into a group in the first place hence why you only play this build in RA.

lol @ heal sig on a caster.
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31   #28
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We all were a newbie one day, over 2 years ago when I just started playing I had a wammo and I thought it was the best thing ever.... One day you will look back at this thread and think: LOL!
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22   #29
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wtb less fail from OP paying game balance any takers?
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Old Jul 16, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29   #30
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Game balance?
... Will A-Net ever release such a thing?!

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Maybe... But I'm pretty sure they'll make it wait till after the triple Chitin Fragment drop weekend. Or the apocalypse, whichever happens first.
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Old Jul 17, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42   #31
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well yeah its obviously easier to get gladiator ranks through random arenas for the simple reason you dont always have to kill the enemies team monk. also people will leave and return till they get a monk so if you have a good team in ra, its almost guaranteed at least once per 10 win streak entire opposite team will just leave. also if ur a fan of organized teams you can still get at least 3 people with organized builds into same team in ra by timing enter battle clickage, ra is standard glad point farming
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well yeah its obviously easier to get gladiator ranks through random arenas for the simple reason you dont always have to kill the enemies team monk. also people will leave and return till they get a monk so if you have a good team in ra, its almost guaranteed at least once per 10 win streak entire opposite team will just leave. also if ur a fan of organized teams you can still get at least 3 people with organized builds into same team in ra by timing enter battle clickage, ra is standard glad point farming
and there's a lot of builds that are so much better for farming glads in RA. your point?
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So i didn't get this one. What the hell is the idea of the build? Even the Awaken the blood, arcane echo, life transfer,lifebane/shadow strike,sign of lost souls, vampiric gaze would have better survivality than this one. I bet that his one can't even handle a noob touch ranger... or can it?
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12   #34
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well i think that this thread has steered off topic in the sense that a few of you are more interested in steering the thread into rude or disrespectful remarks through angry mob mentality, never the less i will try to answer your concerns all at once as to avoid by each new thread getting 4 new attacks.

"whats your point"
my point in saying previous thread obviously was to explain to the guy semmingly unperienced at this , that glad points through random arena is the fastest and easiest way to get gladiator points, and is where 95% of them are farmed for the reasons stated above, and yeah there builds that do more damage such as air spikers, but rangers assasins, mesmers, wars can specialise in killing them. my build offers less outright damage but counters most of their strentghs vs casters, and literally all your attacks heals you giving you higher chances of survival than the average ele. its not an anti monk build obviously, its made to counter and overwhelm attacks, yet you canhelp your team kill monk significantly.

"this build is awful"
considering you thinks its good to take a a necro with high soul reap into 4 vs 4 and probably mm skills its just kind of funny... or maybe just sad. look you might be a great monk but maybe your not at all the necromancer player you claim to be.

"lol @ heal signet"
yeah well ripostes make you invulnerable to damage while using it as explained above. besides it suits the build because you can avoid the armor penalty, costs no energy and what other self heal do you use, ether feast? parasitic bond? lol healing breeze? or what not self heal at all? id also like to add degen necros are awesome, i dont use them cause for a max degen self heal skills arent reliable for my point of view.

dueling builds are "RETARDED", i fail to see your point, in 4 vs 4 you will most of the fight one character at a time, and also at least once but glad streak youll find your the last one standing agaisnt one other player at least once. i think beeing able to kill that player is very intellegent not otherwise. also by saying this its clear that all of your builds are heavily reliant on monks, and frankly to die 1 vs 1 is unforgivable unless your like a mesmer, or healer with no res.

to answer the newcomers question, no a touch ranger would most likely own you 1 on 1. but soul leech especially combined with touch spells gives you a better chance at defeating him though its more likely hell win. however you can make it a lot easier to kill in the sense sl will reduce hp provided by blood atacks, and the elite they use to get energy will come at a higher hp sacrifice making them much easier prey for your allies.


look it is obvious to me by some of the posts that despite your harsh criticisms none of you actually bothered to try the build and therefore dont even know what your talking about (*ahem* even though theyve tried a *ahem*healing hands war to get glad points*), hence dont think that your remarks unerve me in any way. i got my glad ranks through mainly this build and know of its unconventional effectiveness. its not invincible but certainly has an edge with just about everything. Its like im not asking you if the build is good, i know its good and im posting it because it came through a great deal of pvp research, and i would have liked to come accross it before hand. ive gotten great feedback from my friends and guildies, and that you dont like it is fine but really why steer the conversation towards rudeness. im a far cry away from beeing a newb and you may say what you like all said and done my build im sharing is original, can you say the same about yours?
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17   #35
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33   #36
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"whats your point"
my point in saying previous thread obviously was to explain to the guy semmingly unperienced at this , that glad points through random arena is the fastest and easiest way to get gladiator points
wrong. TA is, but i don't expect you to know that anyways.#

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"this build is awful"
considering you thinks its good to take a a necro with high soul reap into 4 vs 4 and probably mm skills its just kind of funny... or maybe just sad. look you might be a great monk but maybe your not at all the necromancer player you claim to be.
considering it works. l2nec maybe?

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to answer the newcomers question, no a touch ranger would most likely own you 1 on 1. but soul leech especially combined with touch spells gives you a better chance at defeating him though its more likely hell win
touch skills are skills, not spells, therefore soul leech does nothing. while we're at it, l2read maybe? or l2gamebasics - either one.

look, thing is, i prefer teams that can beat good players also, and that can help my team, eg offensive hexes. what are you going to do against a ranger? ripostes do not work because it's "melee attacks" only. eh?

look, good players will ignore you -- if you face good players, they will wipe your team and leave you until the end, then they bash on you 4vs1 and you die. why? because your build was incapable of dealing damage without idiots attacking you.

now, if you ever played a hex necro, you would know that;

a) parasitic bond can spam can heal you for a very nice amount of health if you use it wise -- which i doubt you can.
b) insidious parasite, applied to a sin, which you face at least every second game in arenas is one of the nicest thing to do, especially thanks to double strikes.
c) miss-hexes prevent damage on you. more than your awful ripostes. they render a melee or a ranger completely useless while they die to degen. and if you don't have the ranger hexed, they'll camp you (although no ranger will camp you because none of your skills are worth disruption).

so, what do you prefer? shit build that can beat idiots only, or a good build that can kill good players also, because it's one of the most overpowered things in the necromancer line? (blood isn't, curses is.)

just stop defending bad builds, don't be stubborn and everyone is happy.

and yes, i've tried yours, i faced both good and bad players, while i could farm bad players, i couldn't do shit to good ones, which would've been the case with a good build. now, i doubt i'd ever get a gladpoint with this build, only if all of the other 3 have superb builds that will take me with my awful build along.
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well i think that this thread has steered off topic in the sense that a few of you are more interested in steering the thread into rude or disrespectful remarks through angry mob mentality, never the less i will try to answer your concerns all at once as to avoid by each new thread getting 4 new attacks.

"whats your point"
my point in saying previous thread obviously was to explain to the guy semmingly unperienced at this , that glad points through random arena is the fastest and easiest way to get gladiator points, and is where 95% of them are farmed for the reasons stated above, and yeah there builds that do more damage such as air spikers, but rangers assasins, mesmers, wars can specialise in killing them. my build offers less outright damage but counters most of their strentghs vs casters, and literally all your attacks heals you giving you higher chances of survival than the average ele. its not an anti monk build obviously, its made to counter and overwhelm attacks, yet you canhelp your team kill monk significantly.

"this build is awful"
considering you thinks its good to take a a necro with high soul reap into 4 vs 4 and probably mm skills its just kind of funny... or maybe just sad. look you might be a great monk but maybe your not at all the necromancer player you claim to be.

"lol @ heal signet"
yeah well ripostes make you invulnerable to damage while using it as explained above. besides it suits the build because you can avoid the armor penalty, costs no energy and what other self heal do you use, ether feast? parasitic bond? lol healing breeze? or what not self heal at all? id also like to add degen necros are awesome, i dont use them cause for a max degen self heal skills arent reliable for my point of view.

dueling builds are "RETARDED", i fail to see your point, in 4 vs 4 you will most of the fight one character at a time, and also at least once but glad streak youll find your the last one standing agaisnt one other player at least once. i think beeing able to kill that player is very intellegent not otherwise. also by saying this its clear that all of your builds are heavily reliant on monks, and frankly to die 1 vs 1 is unforgivable unless your like a mesmer, or healer with no res.

to answer the newcomers question, no a touch ranger would most likely own you 1 on 1. but soul leech especially combined with touch spells gives you a better chance at defeating him though its more likely hell win. however you can make it a lot easier to kill in the sense sl will reduce hp provided by blood atacks, and the elite they use to get energy will come at a higher hp sacrifice making them much easier prey for your allies.


look it is obvious to me by some of the posts that despite your harsh criticisms none of you actually bothered to try the build and therefore dont even know what your talking about (*ahem* even though theyve tried a *ahem*healing hands war to get glad points*), hence dont think that your remarks unerve me in any way. i got my glad ranks through mainly this build and know of its unconventional effectiveness. its not invincible but certainly has an edge with just about everything. Its like im not asking you if the build is good, i know its good and im posting it because it came through a great deal of pvp research, and i would have liked to come accross it before hand. ive gotten great feedback from my friends and guildies, and that you dont like it is fine but really why steer the conversation towards rudeness. im a far cry away from beeing a newb and you may say what you like all said and done my build im sharing is original, can you say the same about yours?
A. High soul reaping is a plus, you should look into it sometime. Also, I'm a mediocre necro player at best, but I am good enough to know this build = fail. Look, I cast spiteful spirit on you. You die.

B. In 4v4, you don't duel. You gank the monk, kill it, and kill the next character. Even RA is a team effort; you make the best of what you can. You don't duel; while you're dueling against a riposte wammo, that SP sin and air spiker have chewed your teammates alive and are laughing at you.

C. I can't think of anything that wouldn't kill this. A toucher certainly would.

D. If you're going to defend a badly compiled build that was the result of extensive "research", it looks slightly more professional and legit if your posts are not riddled with grammatical/spelling mistakes. Just a pointer for you.
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A. High soul reaping is a plus, you should look into it sometime. Also, I'm a mediocre necro player at best, but I am good enough to know this build = fail. Look, I cast spiteful spirit on you. You die.

B. In 4v4, you don't duel. You gank the monk, kill it, and kill the next character. Even RA is a team effort; you make the best of what you can. You don't duel; while you're dueling against a riposte wammo, that SP sin and air spiker have chewed your teammates alive and are laughing at you.

C. I can't think of anything that wouldn't kill this. A toucher certainly would.

D. If you're going to defend a badly compiled build that was the result of extensive "research", it looks slightly more professional and legit if your posts are not riddled with grammatical/spelling mistakes. Just a pointer for you.
lol spiteful spirit is purely pve and has no effect on this build, thought that was obvoius but moving on

its not a anti monk build fopr the last time, its a damaging build with a high survival rate

i think i could kill 95% of the builds you could come up with, id find 100% of them in google

im th only one who has tried the build, knows its succesful. i never said it was bullet proof, but i still think its wuite solid

my intention was not to look profesional on game fan site but to provide a build that works for me and my friends, maybe you should just stick to moking
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Okay...

Not only does he make one of the worst builds in gw history he accuses those who tell him so of playing MMs in RA with no evidence?

This thread is so being posted in my alliance forums humor section. Gotta be the daftest thing i have read in the past month at least.
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just stop defending bad builds, don't be stubborn and everyone is happy.

and yes, i've tried yours, i faced both good and bad players, while i could farm bad players, i couldn't do shit to good ones, which would've been the case with a good build. now, i doubt i'd ever get a gladpoint with this build, only if all of the other 3 have superb builds that will take me with my awful build along.
first off just let me say parasitic bond is a unsteady unreliable self heal as you dont get healed when you want but when it finally lifts

the fact remains i got my gladiator ranks in a month with this build, and its obvious your either inadequate at palying it or biased judging for your previous post (if you ever really even tried it)

to the comment on how easily 4 players will kill me, yeah four players would kill you easily, and any other build.

i think youve mistaken me for someone who values your stick to the obvious role opinions, this post is obviously not for you. its for people who want an original alternative to some of the effective things you can run in this pvp enviroment. i know its good, your prejudiced at combining the skills i used so i hardly think your fit to judge

ps the last objective of this build was to make you happy, cheers**

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